I'm currently preparing a new design for the website, a logo and some additions (content, manual, ...) to the site... My goal is to release 4.0 together with the new website.
However, the 3.9 releases are the "beta" line of 4.0 and there will be hardly any major changes between 3.9.31.0 and 4.0.
3.9.31.0 is has proven to be very stable - so I recommend using that one.
I refer to a message I send back in march regarding fading and cue points. The software is very good but without both of these additions it doesn't suite my use at the moment. You mentioned that fading was on your to do list for implementation after version 4. more news on this?
i just found your message from may.
fading is one of the most wanted things so it is one the very next things to be implemented after 4.0
there are also a lot of people who are asking for cue points (start, end) so it also needs to be implemented soon (sorry, it's still hard to give you a date at this time).
i started thinking about how to implement the fade-in/out feature and probably will add at least an option to automatically fade-in when pressing play before 4.0.
the questions are:
should we fade in automatically when playing from the beginning only - or even when we continue playing a paused file?
i guess the duration of the automated fade-in should be configurable per slot?
should the duration of the fade-out process be equal to the fade-in setting - or a separate option?
It may help you, if I tell you what I am looking for out of the fade function.
I own a AV hire company providing conference staging and sets. During a conferences we often play pieces of music as people get up and down from the stage (Normally short lively bits of music). At the moment I have to edit the music that is required, prior to the event using sound-forge, so it starts in the right place of the track and sometimes adding fading in.
The reason for the fade out is when someone goes up to the stage you can't tell (prior to the event) how long it will take for their journey. At the moment on their arrival at the stage we have to manually fade out the music.
Ideally we would need fade in and out options for each slot and fade in and fade out lengths for each.
Maybe an option under the "view" menu called "fade selector" would be sufficient. This could bring up 2 number boxes next to the slot, one for fade in and one for fade out where you can put a value from 0-5, 0 being no fade and 5 being 5 second fade time.
The absolute ultimate function on top of the fade would be customisable cue points. This would do away with the need for us to use sound-forge to edit the music at all. but I guess that this would be a little more difficult to implement?
However if both these were implemented I think that the appeal to the conference market would rocket sales. In fact I would be interested in marketing this in the UK, maybe in form of a professional version with a higher pricing.
the "fade selectors" are almost exactly what i was thinking about. i just want to avoid keyboard input where possible. so i'm planning to add fade in and fade out buttons that show a list of possible fade-time values to choose from. (similar to the "finish action" selector-buttons)
yes, cue points are more difficult to implement.
however, as there seems to be a need for many people it looks like it needs to be done...
> At the moment on their arrival at the stage we have to manually fade out the music.
a "fade out and pause" button should do the trick. that's an easy one :-)
i'm going to send you an email regarding the marketing question.
Just noticed your comment re "trying to avoid keyboard input where possible" can you elaborate. I only use the keyboard to
fire slots etc the mouse just doesn't cut it in a show situation. so this worries me slightly.
The whole turning your keyboard into a hotkey firing device
is what I like about the program so avoiding keyboard input
would go against everything
I think you have hold of the wrong end of the stick. I think that what was meant by "trying to avoid keyboard input where possible" was meant purely for the set up of the slots, i.e. setting a fade value to 2 seconds using some kind of slider, rather than entering a number 2.
I agree that triggering slots via your keyboard is the only way.
yes, I'm "trying to avoid keyboard input where possible" because the number of keys on a regular keyboard is very limited - as we know ;-)
What I want is to keep keys free so that they can be used for firing (and pausing/stopping using Shift/Ctrl+Hotkey) slots.
As you would have to use the mouse the put the cursor into the time-field I think it makes sense to also use the mouse to set the value.
Maybe it can be summed up like that:
Most of the "live" stuff should be doable using the keys while the preparations need to be made using the mouse(+keys).
Top software - can I join the discussion and add my constructive criticism
Have just moved to combiwave from multiwave – and while it’s a great improvement it could still be better . I have loads of ideas for refinements which I would like
To help you with.
Of course what is important to one will not always be important to another user. I am like Pete and use it to fly music and announcements into live shows (Award shows, conferences, Fashion shows etc) so I’m biased in that direction. I also edit the music
Before but have no great problem with this and am not that bothered by the cue points issue.
I liked Multiwave mainly because it was so simple and just did one thing well. Combiwave is more complex and trying to do a lot more
The basic features are still there and I like the idea of playing more than slots, Linking play slots together and playing tracks one after another is good but I envisioned playing a playlist from a slot to achieve the same thing (would save lots of screen space).
For me the new cuing system could be improved But the Lack of a fade out option is the Biggest gap
The easiest way to implement a fade option this would be to have more Toggles in the option/hotkeys menu
These would be
Play, fade out, restart (the same track)(with a fade if you like)
Play, fade out, pause, fade in and play (the same Track)
Play, fade out, cue next slot, play (the cued slot) -FOR ME THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
Please when it comes to Fade in/out time we need a global setting that would apply to all slots. If each slot had its own controls these could then be trimmed individually if necessary as desired
For me fade out is more important than fade in – The fade is just there to end a piece of music neatly. A 3 or 2.5 fade doesn’t really matter, the important thing is that the fade starts when I hit the space bar as that point is the unknown quantity
The cue facility is very tied up with the need for a fade option and they need to work together
- At the moment to get the cue facility to work the previous slot must play to completion for it to cue up the next.
Hence the need for a new toggle of Play, fade out, cue next slot, play (the cued slot)
I would also like to have the space bar as the cue key or have the option of selecting which key I want - The enter key is small and hidden away whereas the space bar is big and easy to hit in a show situation.
That’s enough for now – top bit of software - well done
Let us know if you’d like to get the rest of my feed back – I’ve got loads
Thanks for joining the discussion! It's great to hear your needs.
re: toggles
>Play, fade out, cue next slot, play (the cued slot)
The toggles always refer to one slot (the one the hotkey belongs to). I think what we need is a special "walk through" key to do what you want. or a special mode for the enter key.
what about the following walk-through mode:
Play cued slot, fade out + execute fininsh action (eg. cue next), play cued
this could then be used in many different ways. i think that we would also need some kind of indicator to tell us what happens when the enter key is pressed again.
the feature that lets you select which key you want is already planned. i would like to make the spacebar the default as this is some kind of standard.
i've had similar requests before. i can see that this could make sense, but it would be quite an effort with possibly many issues to be solved. i'm noting this but as there are many other important things missing it is quite far from now.
Like your thinking, this would give alot of new functionality and certainly suit my purposes
I've been thinking about a slightly different appraoch
Here’s my suggestion
Each slot could have a hideable control panel that could be displayed below the slot. If you were going to implement the cue points and fade sliders you have been talking about those could be there for all to see if thats what you needed, or hidden when all the programing was done (I've done a drawing which I'll email seperately)
There could also be a combo box with a drop down box with cue action options
These could be somthing like
Fade out and Cue next slot (in which case the next cue press would play that slot)
Fade out and play next slot (effectively a cross fade on the cue press)
fade out and Pause (if this was the case then the next cue cue press would be to start the track at the same place with the same fade in)
As long as you could still play as normal while these control panels are visable you'd have all the info you needed if you needed it or the current display if all you need to see are the slots.
Of Course you’d need a set all slots function for the fades and cue actions as well, plus a collaspe or show all control panels function.
Hi Pete!
Hi Pete!
I'm currently preparing a new design for the website, a logo and some additions (content, manual, ...) to the site... My goal is to release 4.0 together with the new website.
However, the 3.9 releases are the "beta" line of 4.0 and there will be hardly any major changes between 3.9.31.0 and 4.0.
3.9.31.0 is has proven to be very stable - so I recommend using that one.
Christof
I refer to a message I send
I refer to a message I send back in march regarding fading and cue points. The software is very good but without both of these additions it doesn't suite my use at the moment. You mentioned that fading was on your to do list for implementation after version 4. more news on this?
Thanks for your reply
hi pete! i just found your
hi pete!
i just found your message from may.
fading is one of the most wanted things so it is one the very next things to be implemented after 4.0
there are also a lot of people who are asking for cue points (start, end) so it also needs to be implemented soon (sorry, it's still hard to give you a date at this time).
hope this helps.
thank you!
christof
i started thinking about how
i started thinking about how to implement the fade-in/out feature and probably will add at least an option to automatically fade-in when pressing play before 4.0.
the questions are:
thanks!
It may help you, if I tell
It may help you, if I tell you what I am looking for out of the fade function.
I own a AV hire company providing conference staging and sets. During a conferences we often play pieces of music as people get up and down from the stage (Normally short lively bits of music). At the moment I have to edit the music that is required, prior to the event using sound-forge, so it starts in the right place of the track and sometimes adding fading in.
The reason for the fade out is when someone goes up to the stage you can't tell (prior to the event) how long it will take for their journey. At the moment on their arrival at the stage we have to manually fade out the music.
Ideally we would need fade in and out options for each slot and fade in and fade out lengths for each.
Maybe an option under the "view" menu called "fade selector" would be sufficient. This could bring up 2 number boxes next to the slot, one for fade in and one for fade out where you can put a value from 0-5, 0 being no fade and 5 being 5 second fade time.
The absolute ultimate function on top of the fade would be customisable cue points. This would do away with the need for us to use sound-forge to edit the music at all. but I guess that this would be a little more difficult to implement?
However if both these were implemented I think that the appeal to the conference market would rocket sales. In fact I would be interested in marketing this in the UK, maybe in form of a professional version with a higher pricing.
Let me know your thoughts
Cheers
thanks for the detailed explanation!
the "fade selectors" are almost exactly what i was thinking about. i just want to avoid keyboard input where possible. so i'm planning to add fade in and fade out buttons that show a list of possible fade-time values to choose from. (similar to the "finish action" selector-buttons)
yes, cue points are more difficult to implement.
however, as there seems to be a need for many people it looks like it needs to be done...
> At the moment on their arrival at the stage we have to manually fade out the music.
a "fade out and pause" button should do the trick. that's an easy one :-)
i'm going to send you an email regarding the marketing question.
cheers,
christof
Avoid keyboard Input ?
HI cristoph
Just noticed your comment re "trying to avoid keyboard input where possible" can you elaborate. I only use the keyboard to
fire slots etc the mouse just doesn't cut it in a show situation. so this worries me slightly.
The whole turning your keyboard into a hotkey firing device
is what I like about the program so avoiding keyboard input
would go against everything
Thanks
Alistair
Alistair I think you have
Alistair
I think you have hold of the wrong end of the stick. I think that what was meant by "trying to avoid keyboard input where possible" was meant purely for the set up of the slots, i.e. setting a fade value to 2 seconds using some kind of slider, rather than entering a number 2.
I agree that triggering slots via your keyboard is the only way.
Hi, yes, I'm "trying to
Hi,
yes, I'm "trying to avoid keyboard input where possible" because the number of keys on a regular keyboard is very limited - as we know ;-)
What I want is to keep keys free so that they can be used for firing (and pausing/stopping using Shift/Ctrl+Hotkey) slots.
As you would have to use the mouse the put the cursor into the time-field I think it makes sense to also use the mouse to set the value.
Maybe it can be summed up like that:
Most of the "live" stuff should be doable using the keys while the preparations need to be made using the mouse(+keys).
Combiwave enhancements /fades etc
Hi Cristoph
Top software - can I join the discussion and add my constructive criticism
Have just moved to combiwave from multiwave – and while it’s a great improvement it could still be better . I have loads of ideas for refinements which I would like
To help you with.
Of course what is important to one will not always be important to another user. I am like Pete and use it to fly music and announcements into live shows (Award shows, conferences, Fashion shows etc) so I’m biased in that direction. I also edit the music
Before but have no great problem with this and am not that bothered by the cue points issue.
I liked Multiwave mainly because it was so simple and just did one thing well. Combiwave is more complex and trying to do a lot more
The basic features are still there and I like the idea of playing more than slots, Linking play slots together and playing tracks one after another is good but I envisioned playing a playlist from a slot to achieve the same thing (would save lots of screen space).
For me the new cuing system could be improved But the Lack of a fade out option is the Biggest gap
The easiest way to implement a fade option this would be to have more Toggles in the option/hotkeys menu
These would be
Play, fade out, restart (the same track)(with a fade if you like)
Play, fade out, pause, fade in and play (the same Track)
Play, fade out, cue next slot, play (the cued slot) -FOR ME THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
Please when it comes to Fade in/out time we need a global setting that would apply to all slots. If each slot had its own controls these could then be trimmed individually if necessary as desired
For me fade out is more important than fade in – The fade is just there to end a piece of music neatly. A 3 or 2.5 fade doesn’t really matter, the important thing is that the fade starts when I hit the space bar as that point is the unknown quantity
The cue facility is very tied up with the need for a fade option and they need to work together
- At the moment to get the cue facility to work the previous slot must play to completion for it to cue up the next.
Hence the need for a new toggle of Play, fade out, cue next slot, play (the cued slot)
I would also like to have the space bar as the cue key or have the option of selecting which key I want - The enter key is small and hidden away whereas the space bar is big and easy to hit in a show situation.
That’s enough for now – top bit of software - well done
Let us know if you’d like to get the rest of my feed back – I’ve got loads
Alistair
Toggles
Hi Alistair
Thanks for joining the discussion! It's great to hear your needs.
re: toggles
>Play, fade out, cue next slot, play (the cued slot)
The toggles always refer to one slot (the one the hotkey belongs to). I think what we need is a special "walk through" key to do what you want. or a special mode for the enter key.
what about the following walk-through mode:
Play cued slot, fade out + execute fininsh action (eg. cue next), play cued
this could then be used in many different ways. i think that we would also need some kind of indicator to tell us what happens when the enter key is pressed again.
Space bar as the cue key
the feature that lets you select which key you want is already planned. i would like to make the spacebar the default as this is some kind of standard.
Playing a playlist in a slot
i've had similar requests before. i can see that this could make sense, but it would be quite an effort with possibly many issues to be solved. i'm noting this but as there are many other important things missing it is quite far from now.
Like your thinking, this
Like your thinking, this would give alot of new functionality and certainly suit my purposes
I've been thinking about a slightly different appraoch
Here’s my suggestion
Each slot could have a hideable control panel that could be displayed below the slot. If you were going to implement the cue points and fade sliders you have been talking about those could be there for all to see if thats what you needed, or hidden when all the programing was done (I've done a drawing which I'll email seperately)
There could also be a combo box with a drop down box with cue action options
These could be somthing like
Fade out and Cue next slot (in which case the next cue press would play that slot)
Fade out and play next slot (effectively a cross fade on the cue press)
fade out and Pause (if this was the case then the next cue cue press would be to start the track at the same place with the same fade in)
As long as you could still play as normal while these control panels are visable you'd have all the info you needed if you needed it or the current display if all you need to see are the slots.
Of Course you’d need a set all slots function for the fades and cue actions as well, plus a collaspe or show all control panels function.